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Oder waren Gruppen bei schwierigen Bedingungen unterwegs, fragte ich mich, wie es ihnen geht. Insofern fühle ich mich jetzt auf gewisse Weise befreit.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Wehmütig bist du nicht?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Ein wenig schon. Aber ich bin nicht so der Typ für Wehmut. Ich lebe im Moment. Und ich bin sehr glücklich, bergpunkt an ein gutes Team zu übergeben.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Dein Weggang war auch seit längerem geplant.\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Vor zwei Jahren sagte ich unserem Verwaltungsrat: «In zwei bis fünf Jahren bin ich nicht mehr an dieser Stelle.» Sie nahmen das ernst und suchten eine Nachfolge, was ziemlich schwierig war.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Weshalb?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Weil es nebst dem Führen des Geschäfts auch bergtechnisches Wissen braucht: Bergführer*innen coachen, gute Touren raussuchen, neue Programme konzipieren, technische Fragen beantworten. Ich bin sehr froh, dass wir mit dem Bergführer Alex Pohl jemanden gefunden haben, der all diese Kompetenzen hat.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Blicken wir zurück. Erinnerst du dich an den Moment, als die Idee entstand, bergpunkt zu gründen?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Das war ein fliessender Prozess. Emanuel Wassermann und ich arbeiteten seit rund zehn Jahren als Bergführer, leiteten oft gemeinsam Touren und hatten beide kleine Kinder daheim. Deshalb suchten wir nach Lösungen, um mehr Zeit zu Hause zu verbringen, ohne auf die Berge zu verzichten.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Eine Bergsportschule war die Lösung.\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Am Anfang war das nicht so klar. Wir wollten das Unternehmen erst «Berg Service» nennen. Wir überlegten etwa, Sicherheitskonzepte für Bergbahnen oder SAC-Sektionen anzubieten oder Ausbildungsunterlagen zu publizieren; eine weitere Idee war ein Parcours, auf dem Gäste ihre Fertigkeiten für Hochtouren trainieren konnten. Ich hatte auch ein fertiges Konzept für eine Bergplattform erstellt und spielte mit dem Gedanken, eine Datenbank für Beinahe-Unfälle zu lancieren.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Und wie kam es vom «Berg Service» zu bergpunkt?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>In einer unserer vielen Diskussionen, sagte ich zu Emanuel: «Es geht einfach um Berge. Punkt.»\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Und am Ende war es doch eine Bergsportschule.\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Ja. Aber wir wollten keine typische Bergschule sein. Wir wollten speziell sein.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Ist euch das gelungen?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Ja, auch wenn wir heute sogenannte 0815-Touren anbieten, was wir damals nicht wollten.\u003Cbr \u002F> (lacht) \u003Cbr \u002F>Aber begpunkt ist bis heute eher klein, persönlich und familiär; das unterscheidet uns von manchen anderen. Und bergpunkt basiert auf Innovation. 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Ich und meine Familie schätzten jedoch sehr, dass ich regelmässig daheim sein konnte. Das Büro war drei Minuten von zu Hause entfernt. War meine Frau unterwegs, kochte ich den Kindern das Mittagessen und war am Abend daheim. Als Führer war ich oft wochenweise unterwegs gewesen.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Nahm dieser Druck der Anfangsjahre mit der Zeit etwas ab?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Ja. Es ging immer aufwärts. Und die Leute hatten uns gern.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Gibt es Projekte, an die du dich besonders gern erinnerst?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Da gibt es viele. Unsere Merkblätter und Lehrbücher sind für mich ein Highlight. Oder dass wir die «Spontantouren» erfunden haben, die nun schweizweit kopiert werden. Und die Zusammenarbeit mit den Bergführer*innen natürlich. Als Bergschule hast du ja ein Problem: Gute Bergführer*innen finden rasch Privatgäste, zügeln diese vielleicht gar von der Schule ab, und arbeiten nur kurze Zeit für dich. Weniger beliebte Bergführer*innen finden kaum Privatgäste und wollen für dich arbeiten. Wir lösten dieses Dilemma, indem wir Verträge aufsetzten, die für uns und die Bergführer ein Win-Win waren. Zudem haben alle unsere wichtigsten Bergführer*innen Aktien. S\u003Cspan style=\"color: black;\">ie tragen und gestalten bergpunkt mit.\u003C\u002Fspan>\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Was bleibt von dir, wenn du weiterziehst?\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Es ist mir gar nicht so wichtig, dass etwas von mir bleiben wird. Schau, es ist wie mit Kindern: Ein Kind soll nicht tun, was du toll findest. 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Aber ich will und muss weiterhin arbeiten.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Und du brennst nach wie vor für die Berge.\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>Ja! Ich freue mich aufs Bergführen. Ausserdem baue ich gerade eine Webseite auf als Gutachter bei Bergunfällen. Etwas, das ich vorher bereits ab und zu gemacht habe.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Du heisst die Zukunft ergebnisoffen willkommen – wie am Anfang von bergpunkt.\u003C\u002Fem> \u003Cbr \u002F>So ist es. Ich werde sehen, wohin es mich zieht. Frei von Druck. Verwirklichen durfte ich mich ja bereits.\u003C\u002Fp>\n\u003Cp class=\"MsoNormal\">\u003Cem>Das ist ein Privileg.\u003Cbr \u002F>\u003C\u002Fem>Allerdings. Im Beruf wie auch in den Bergen. Und wie im Beruf ist es auch in den Bergen: Ich gehe immer noch gerne auf coole Touren. 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